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In this Feb. 20, 1996 order, Judge Richard Matsch has granted a request for a change of venue in the trial of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. The case will be moved from Oklahoma City to the federal court in Denver, Colorado.


IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT WESTERN 
DISTRICT OF 
OKLAHOMA 
 
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, 
 
Plaintiff, 
 
v. 
 
TIMOTHY JAMES MCVEIGH and TERRY LYNN NICHOLS. 
 
Defendants. 
 
 
No. CR-95-110 MH 
 
MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER ON MOTIONS FOR 
CHANGE OF VENUE 
 
 
MATSCH, District Judge* 
 
     This criminal proceeding arises from an explosion in 
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, on April 19, 1995, at 9:02 a.m. 
The measurable effects of that event include the deaths of 
168 identified men, women and children, injuries to 
hundreds of other people. the complete destruction of the 
Alfred P. Murrah Federal Office Building and collateral 
damage to other buildings, including the United States 
Courthouse. A damage assessment prepared for the Office of 
State Finance, The State of Oklahoma, estimated the total 
incident cost at $651.594.000. The immeasurable effects on 
the hearts and minds of the people of Oklahoma from the 
blast and its consequences were thoroughly explored in the 
hearing on the defendants' motions for a change of venue 
under Rule 21 (a) of the Federal Rules of Criminal 
Procedure in Oklahoma City on January 30 through February 
2, 1996. 
 
     Through the grand jury indictment filed in this 
district on August 10, 1995, the government has charged 
that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols conspired with 
others unknown, beginning in September 1994, to use a 
"truck bomb" to damage the Alfred P. Murrah Federal 
Building and to kill and injure the people in it and that 
these two defendants caused the explosion on April 19,1995. 
Other counts charge these defendants, jointly, with the use 
of a bomb as a weapon of mass destruction, resulting in 
federal property damage and death and personal injury in 
violation of 18 U.S.C. Sections 2332a and 2(a) & (b); with 
the intentional, willful and malicious damage and 
destruction of government property and death and injury to 
persons by means of an explosive bomb placed in a truck in 
violation of 18 U.S.C. Sections 844(f) and 2(a) & (b) and 
with first degree murder of eight federal law enforcement 
officers in violation of 18 U.S.C. Sections 1114, 1111 and 
2(a) & (b) and 28 C.F.R. 64.2(h). The prosecution has filed 
notices of intention to seek the penalty of death as to 
both defendants on all counts. 
 
     Article III of the United States Constitution provides 
that criminal trials shall be held in the state where such 
crimes have been committed. The Sixth Amendment of the 
Constitution provides as follows: 
 
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the 
right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of 
the State and district wherein the crime shall have been 
committed-- 
 
     The Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment of the 
United States Constitution requires fundamental fairness in 
the prosecution of federal crimes. The right to an 
impartial jury in the Sixth Amendment and the fundamental 
fairness requirement of the Due Process clause will 
override the place of trial provisions in both Article III 
and the Sixth Amendment in extraordinary cases. That is the 
foundation for Fed. R. Crim P. 21 (a) providing for a 
change of venue to protect from prejudice. The rule reads 
as follows: 
 
The court upon motion of the defendant shall transfer the 
proceeding as to that defendant to another district whether 
or not such district is specified in the defendant's motion 
if the court is satisfied that there exists in the district 
where the prosecution is pending so great a prejudice 
against the defendant that the defendant cannot obtain a 
fair and impartial trial at any place fixed by law for 
holding court in that district. 
 
     The Notes of Advisory Committee on Rules, published 
with this rule in 1944, make clear that a change of venue 
can be granted only on the motion of a defendant since the 
constitutional requirement for trial in the state and 
district where the offense was committed under Article III 
and Amendment VI is a right of the defendant. The filing of 
the motion waives that right. 
 
     The initial question is whether the evidence now 
before the court shows that there is so great a prejudice 
against these defendants in the Western District of 
Oklahoma that they cannot obtain a fair and impartial trial 
at any place fixed by law for holding court in this 
district. 
 
     Oklahoma City is the principal place for holding 
court. Judge Alley found that obtaining an impartial jury 
in Oklahoma City would be "chancy." He designated Lawton, 
Oklahoma as the place for this trial under the authority of 
Fed. R. Crim. P. 18 requiring that due regard be given to 
the convenience of the defendants and the witnesses. The 
defendants filed objections to that designation. The 
evidence presented at the hearing on the defendants' Rule 
21(a) motion demonstrates that a trial of these charges in 
Lawton is not practicable. The facilities there are 
inadequate. It was stipulated that renovations to the 
courthouse and related facilities would cost at least $1 
million dollars. The time needed for construction would 
delay scheduling the trial. 
 
     There is no disagreement among the parties with Judge 
Alley's concern about a trial in Oklahoma City. The effects 
of the explosion on that community are so profound and 
pervasive that no detailed discussion of the evidence is 
necessary. The motions for change of venue are granted as 
to the Western District of Oklahoma. 
 
     The selection of an alternative venue is within the 
discretion of the court. The government has suggested 
transfer to the Northern District of Oklahoma with trial at 
the restored historic courthouse in Tulsa. Although the 
defendants argue that they do not have to prove prejudice 
in that district, the court has considered Tulsa as the 
presumptive transferee district because of the language of 
Article III, Sec. 2, Par. 3, and the expressed wishes of 
many of the victims as revealed in the evidence and the 
arguments of government counsel. 
 
     Although no one has suggested a trial in the Eastern 
District of Oklahoma, to avoid further controversy the 
focus of this inquiry is enlarged to consider whether there 
is so great a prejudice against these defendants in the 
State of Oklahoma that they cannot obtain a fair and 
impartial trial anywhere in the state. 
 
     Ordinarily, the effects of pre-trial publicity on the 
pool from which jurors are drawn is determined by a careful 
and searching voir dire examination. That is the preferred 
practice in this judicial circuit. United States v. 
Pedraza, 27 F.3d 1515, 1525 (10th Cir.), cert. denied, 115 
S.Ct. 347 (1994); United States v. Abello-Silva, 948 F.2d 
1168, 1177 (10th Cir. 1991), cert. denied, 113 S.Ct. 
107(1992). Deferment of the venue motions in this case is 
impracticable and inimical to the public interest in 
obtaining a just determination of these charges without 
undue delay. It is apparent that some special 
precautions-and logistical arrangements must be taken in 
preparation for trial of these charges at any location. The 
scope and intensity of the public interest necessitates it. 
The safety of the accused and all trial participants must 
be considered as well. Moreover, a failed attempt to select 
a jury would, itself, cause widespread public comment 
creating additional difficulty in beginning again at 
another place for trial. 
 
     The parties have submitted a large volume of evidence 
concerning news coverage of the explosion, the rescue 
effort, the investigations by law enforcement agencies and 
media sources, the arrests of the defendants, court 
proceedings and community activities. Extensive print news 
coverage in Oklahoma City, Tulsa and Lawton has been 
submitted. Videotapes of local and national telecasts from 
April 19, 1995, to the date of the motions hearing were 
admitted and have been reviewed. 
 
     Initially, national media coverage of the explosion 
was extremely comprehensive. Dramatic pictures of the 
Murrah Federal Building were shown nationwide immediately 
after the explosion. There was intensive coverage of the 
rescue efforts. The immediate reactions of the President, 
the Attorney General, and an FBI spokesman were broadcast 
across the nation. There were extensive interviews with 
injured victims, members of the families of the dead and 
missing persons, rescue and relief workers, and residents 
of Oklahoma City. The Governor of the State of Oklahoma was 
a continual presence in the media coverage, providing 
strong leadership and articulating the needs and spirit of 
the entire state. 
 
     The arrest of Timothy McVeigh on April 21 in Perry, 
Oklahoma as a bombing suspect produced him showing him in 
restraints and clad in bright orange jail clothing being 
led into a van while surrounded by a very vocal and angry 
crowd. Some bystanders could be heard shouting "murderer" 
and "baby killer." This footage was seen nationwide and was 
widely used in later television broadcasts about other 
developments in the government's investigation. There was 
widespread publicity about a search for another suspect 
described as John Doe #2. The arrest of Terry Nichols and 
a search of his brother's farm in Michigan were other 
subjects of national publicity. 
 
     As time passed, differences developed in both the 
volume and focus of the media coverage in Oklahoma compared 
with local coverage outside of Oklahoma and with national 
news coverage. These differences were discussed in the 
testimony of Russell Scott Armstrong, an expert in news 
media analysis. In the weeks following the explosion, there 
was less media coverage of the explosion outside of 
Oklahoma. Developments in the government investigation were 
reported, but such reports were primarily factual in 
nature. Oklahoma coverage, in contrast, remained focused on 
the explosion and its aftermath for a much longer period of 
time. Television stations conducted their own 
investigations, interviewing "eyewitnesses" and showing 
reconstructions and simulations of alleged events. Such 
"investigative journalism" continued for more than four 
months after the explosion. Perhaps most significant was 
the continuing coverage of the victims and their families. 
The Oklahoma coverage was more personal, providing 
individual stories of grief and recovery. As late as 
December 1995, television stations in Oklahoma City and 
Tulsa were broadcasting special series of individual 
interviews with family members and people involved in 
covering the explosion and its aftermath. (See McVeigh 
Exhibit M-11 B). 
 
     According to Armstrong, these differences in media 
coverage reflect the different needs of the Oklahoma media 
market compared to the nationwide media market. He observed 
that, as a national story of great importance, people 
across the country wanted to know the "who, what, where, 
why, and when" of this event. The nation was interested in 
the human story of suffering and renewal, but in a more 
general sense. In contrast, because this was a crime that 
occurred in their state, Oklahomans wanted to know every 
detail about the explosion, the investigation, the court 
proceedings and, in particular, the victims. 
 
     Armstrong opined that the greater informational needs 
of Oklahomans resulted from a perception that Oklahomans 
are united as a family with a spirit unique to the state. 
Indeed, the "Oklahoma family" has been a common theme in 
the Oklahoma media coverage, with numerous reports of how 
the explosion shook the entire state, and how the state has 
pulled together in response. The political leadership of 
the state has repeatedly and consistently emphasized the 
bonds tying all Oklahomans together as family and 
proclaiming to the nation and the world that the survival 
and recovery  from this tragedy is "Oklahoma's story." 
(Nichols Exhibit HA, Epilogue to In Their  Name). Oklahoma 
Governor Frank Keating best described the unity and spirit 
of Oklahoma: 
 
     In the weeks after the bombing, Oklahomans showed the 
world what good people can accomplish when they are faced 
with an overwhelming tragedy. What happened on April 19 was 
the worst instance of terrorism and mass murder in American 
history. What followed set a standard for courage and 
compassion: The Oklahoma Standard. 
 
(Nichols Exhibit P, "The Oklahoma Standard" at 9). This 
same theme is dominant in the books and pamphlets published 
as commemoratives of the event and its aftermath and 
distributed throughout the state. It is also expressed in 
many of the televised interviews of rescue workers and 
citizens on the street. 
 
     There is an evident and understandable pride of 
accomplishment in all that has been done to try to return 
to normalcy. Prominently displayed in the state capitol 
building is the artwork of survivors and families of the 
deceased done at a state sponsored gathering at Quartz 
Mountain under the heading "Celebration of the Spirit." 
Many Oklahomans view a trial of this case as an additional 
challenge and want the opportunity to demonstrate their 
ability to be fair in spite of this extraordinary 
provocation of their emotions of anger and vengeance. They 
seek participation in the trial to demonstrate an ability 
to overcome a tragedy with such powerful emotional impact 
that people have come to measure time by it. 
 
     Pride is defined as satisfaction in an achievement, 
and the people of Oklahoma are well deserving of it. But it 
is easy for those feeling pride to develop a prejudice, 
defined as "(a) an adverse judgment or opinion formed 
beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts 
and (b) a preconceived preference or idea." The American 
Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (3d ed. 1992). 
The existence of such a prejudice is difficult to prove. 
Indeed it may go unrecognized in those who are affected by 
it. The prejudice that may deny a fair- trial is not 
limited to a bias or discriminatory attitude. It includes 
an impairment of the deliberative process of deductive 
reasoning from evidentiary facts resulting from an 
attribution to something not included in the evidence. 
-That something has its most powerful effect if it 
generates strong emotional responses and fits into a 
pattern of normative values. 
 
     In this case the repetition of emotionally intense 
stories of loss and grief and the valiant efforts to 
overcome the consequences of this event have developed a 
common belief that the citizens of Oklahoma can and must 
take what many believe to be the necessary last step on the 
road to recovery--participation in the trial of these 
accused men. The character of the crimes charged is so 
contrary to the public expectation of human behavior that 
there is a prevailing belief that some action must be taken 
to make things right again. That theme is dominant in the 
comments of people interviewed by television reporters 
asking about their reactions to court proceedings in this 
case. The common reference is to "seeing that justice is 
done." There is a fair inference that only a guilty verdict 
with a death sentence could be considered a just result in 
the minds of many. 
 
     The emotional burden of the explosion and its 
consequences has been intensified by the repeated and heavy 
emphasis on the innocence of the victims and the impact of 
their loss on their families. The tragic sense is 
heightened by the deaths of infants and very young children 
in the day care center. The horror of that fact has been 
powerfully portrayed by the symbols of teddy bears and 
angels displayed everywhere in Oklahoma. They were placed 
on a Christmas Tree at the State Capitol. The public 
sympathy for victims is so strong that it has been 
manifested in the very courthouse where these motions were 
heard, when on the first day of the hearing a T-shirt was 
sold bearing the following inscription: 
 
Those Lost Will Never 
Leave Our Hearts 
Or be Forgotten 
 April 19,1995 
United States Court 
Western District of Oklahoma 
 
(Nichols Exhibit ZE). The shirt also exhibited the purple 
ribbon which is a ubiquitous symbol of empathy and unity 
throughout Oklahoma, even appearing on special license 
plates. 
 
     The intensity of the humanization of the victims in 
the public mind is in sharp contrast with the prevalent 
portrayals of the defendants. They have been demonized. The 
videotape footage and fixed photographs of Timothy McVeigh 
in Perry have been used regularly in almost all of the 
television news reports of developments in this case. All 
of the Oklahoma television markets have been saturated with 
stories suggesting the defendants are associated with 
"right wing militia groups." File film shows people in 
combat fatigues firing military style firearms to 
illustrate the suggested association. That theme has 
particularly been emphasized with Terry Nichols and his 
brother. These films have also been shown in Denver and on 
national news programs but not with the frequency of the 
use by broadcast outlets in Oklahoma. 
 
     New film showing the defendants in restraints and body 
armor was taken in the sally port of the jail in Oklahoma 
City when they were being brought to court for hearing 
these motions. It was shown nationally and locally in 
connection with reports of the court proceedings. 
 
     The possible prejudicial impact of this type of 
publicity is not something measurable by any objective 
standards. The parties have submitted data from opinion 
surveys done by qualified experts who have given their 
opinions about the results and their meaning. The 
government places heavy reliance on this evidence to 
support the position that a fair and impartial jury can be 
selected in the Northern District of Oklahoma for a trial 
in Tulsa. Such surveys are but crude measures of opinion at 
the time of the interviews. Human behavior is far less 
knowable and predictable than chemical reactions or other 
subjects of study by scientific methodology. There is no 
laboratory experiment that can come close to duplicating 
the trial of criminal charges. There are so many variables 
involved that no two trials can be compared regardless of 
apparent similarities. That is the very genius of the 
American jury trial. 
 
     The expert witnesses who have studied in this area 
have suggested that voir dire of the jury panel is the only 
technique available to minimize the effects of pre-trial 
publicity and that most jurors develop fixed opinions by 
the conclusion of lawyers' opening statements. While those 
opinions may be justified by the research done, consisting 
largely of simulated trials, this view is inconsistent with 
this court's long experience with jury trials both as 
lawyer and judge. That experience fortifies a faith that a 
properly conducted trial with competent counsel on both 
sides with adequate resources available to them will reveal 
the historical facts relevant to the charges and that 
jurors who have adequate protection from external 
influences will reach a just verdict according to the law 
and evidence. 
 
     Extensive publicity before trial does not, in itself, 
preclude fairness. In many respects media exposure presents 
problems not qualitatively different from that experienced 
in earlier times in small communities where gossip and 
jurors' personal acquaintances with lawyers, witnesses and 
even the accused were not uncommon. Properly motivated and 
carefully instructed jurors can and have exercised the 
discipline to disregard that kind of prior awareness. Trust 
in their ability to do so diminishes when the prior 
exposure is such that it evokes strong emotional responses 
or such an identification with those directly affected by 
the conduct at issue that the jurors feel a personal stake 
in the outcome. That is also true when there is such 
identification with a community point of view that jurors 
feel a sense of obligation to reach a result which will 
find general acceptance in the relevant audience. 
 
     The opinion surveys done for this hearing attempted to 
test the ability of the persons questioned to be fair and 
impartial jurors. There has been disagreement with some of 
the questions included in the survey form used by Dr. 
Donald E. Vinson. The government's response has been that 
there are no significant differences in the results 
obtained with those from the defendants' questionnaire. 
That is the type of dispute of interest in academic 
circles. What is most important to this court is that the 
survey forms do not recognize the expanded role of a jury 
in a death penalty case. The first duty is to determine 
after hearing all of the evidence in the case, whether the 
government has proved all of the essential elements of each 
charge beyond a reasonable doubt. The jury must separate 
that standard of legal guilt from any opinions concerning 
probabilities or any notions of moral culpability. The 
commonly used phrase presumption of innocence" is not an 
appropriate or even apt description of the position of an 
accused in this court. What is more descriptive is whether 
a juror is ready, willing and able to give a defendant the 
benefit of a reasonable doubt after careful consideration 
of all of the evidence admitted at a trial. 
 
     If a defendant is found guilty on any of the present 
charges, the jury will then be required to determine 
whether death is justified for the offense of conviction 
after consideration of the mitigating and aggravating 
factors presented by evidence received at a further 
hearing. 18 U.S.C. Sections 3591-3593. The Supreme Court of 
the United States has struggled with the constitutional 
legitimacy of a death sentence under the Eighth Amendment 
since the per curiam decision in Furman v. Georgia, 408 
U.S. 238 (1972), with each of the justices constituting the 
majority writing separate concurring opinions. The question 
became somewhat better focused in a joint opinion of 
justices Stewart, Powell and Stevens in Gregg v. Georgia, 
428 U.S. 153, 189 (1976), explaining that the discretion 
given to a sentencing body "must be suitably directed and 
limited so as to minimize the risk of wholly arbitrary and 
capricious action." There must be individualized 
consideration of the defendant and any mitigating evidence 
relevant to him. Lockett v. Ohio, 438 U.S. 586 (1978); 
Eddings v. Oklahoma, 455 U.S. 104 (1981) (citing Lockett). 
 
     What has been made clear by later cases is that a 
sentencing jury must be prepared to make a moral judgment 
which is individual to the particular defendant after 
consideration of aggravating and mitigating circumstances 
specifically as to him. Moreover, the Court has held that 
due process requires such impartiality of any jury that 
undertakes capitol sentencing that a voir dire examination 
of potential jurors must include inquiry into the views of 
prospective jurors on the death penalty, and those who 
would automatically vote for or against it must be 
excluded. Morgan v. Illinois, 504 U.S. 719 (1992). General 
questions of fairness and impartiality are insufficient. 
Id. 
 
     Because the penalty of death is by its very nature 
different from all other punishments in that it is final 
and irrevocable, the issue of prejudice raised by the 
present motions must include consideration of whether there 
is a showing of a predilection toward that penalty. Most 
interesting in this regard is the frequency of the opinions 
expressed in recent televised interviews of citizens of 
Oklahoma emphasizing the importance of assuring certainty 
in a verdict of guilty with an evident implication that 
upon such a verdict death is the appropriate punishment. It 
is significant that there is a citizens' movement in 
Oklahoma to support pending legislation which would sharply 
limit the reviewability of a death sentence. 
 
     Upon all of the evidence presented, this court finds 
and concludes that there is so great a prejudice against 
these two defendants in the State of Oklahoma that they 
cannot obtain a fair and impartial trial at any place fixed 
by law for holding court in that state. The court also 
finds and concludes that an appropriate alternative venue 
is in the District of Colorado. 
 
     Denver, Colorado meets all of the criteria that have 
been cited by past cases as relevant when selecting an 
alternative venue. See e.g., United States v. Tokars, 839 
F.Supp. 1578 (N.D.Ga.1993); United States v. Moody, 762 
F.Supp. 1491 (N.D.Ga. 1991). Denver is a large metropolitan 
community-with many community resources. It is readily 
accessible, being well-served by daily non-stop flights 
from all relevant cities. The court facilities in Denver 
are well-suited for accommodating the special needs of this 
trial. The United States Marshal for the District of 
Colorado is well equipped to provide adequate security 
services. A large jury pool is available. 
 
     In reaching this ruling, the court is acutely aware of 
the wishes of the victims of the Oklahoma City explosion to 
attend this trial and that it will be a hardship for those 
victims to travel to Denver. The attorneys for the 
government have earnestly argued that statutory provisions 
for victims must be considered by the court. The Department 
of Justice is required to give prescribed care and 
consideration to those affected by criminal conduct. The 
United States Attorney for the Western District of Oklahoma 
has clearly complied with these requirements by providing 
information and staff assistance and will continue to do 
so. Assistant United States Attorney K. Lynn Anderson, who 
heads the Victim Assistant Unit of the United States 
Attorney's Office, described the Unit's continuing efforts 
to assist and inform the 2,200 people identified in the 
Unit's data base. Further, as observed on the record at the 
hearing, this court has considered the brief filed on 
behalf of victims as amicus curiae. The interests of the 
victims in being able to attend this trial in Oklahoma are 
outweighed by the court's obligation to assure that the 
trial be conducted with fundamental fairness and with due 
regard for all constitutional requirements. 
 
Upon the foregoing, it is 
 
ORDERED that this criminal proceeding is transferred to the 
United States District Court for the District of Colorado. 
 
DATED at Denver, Colorado, this 19th day of February 1996. 
 
BY THE COURT: 
______________________ 
Richard P. Matsch 
United States District Judge sitting by 
designation 
 
 
ENDNOTE 
 
* Chief Judge Richard P. Matsch, District of Colorado, 
sitting by designation 

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